I don’t believe them. I think they have the full support of the movement. And I’ll tell you why. Never do you see any feminist site actually objecting to the tactic. No encouragement for feminists to “get back on track.” No statements that this is doing the cause more harm than good. What happens is that, when some anti-feminist points out such actions, they tell us not to judge feminism by a few “extremists.” Well, I don’t think that they are extremists — not if all the other feminists are quietly saying “you go, girl,” not when the groups that do this at universities are regularly organized by the “women’s studies” instructor.
Feminists should not be telling me that they don’t support this. They should be telling the people who do this, that they don’t support it. And they don’t. They never raise any objections. I really can only conclude that they do support this, especially when they turn around and ask “what do men’s rights activists have to talk about anyway?” They don’t see a problem with the action. The only point where they see a problem is when people start to view feminism in a negative light.
Well, I was pleasantly wrong about the other feminist not approving my comment. At any rate, here is another feminist talking about anti-feminism (as she perceives it.)
And my response:
“Antimisandry is all about pushing women down even further so men can feel powerful. Their whole premise is that women are getting too powerful and therefore have a hatred for men. But the people on this site completely ignore the fact that most feminists believe in equality of the sexes, not in dominating men.”
I’m going to turn your own statement back on you Feminism is about pushing men even farther down (men have always been the disadvantaged sex) so that women can feel powerful Their whole premise is that men are getting too powerful and therefore have a hatred for women. But they completely ignore the fact that most anti-feminists believe in equality of the sexes, not in dominating women.
You don’t have any objection to that, do you? There is something you should understand. Anti-feminists do not ignore your claim that feminists want equality. We just don’t believe it. When a feminist was advocating that Father’s Day be replaced with “Castration Day,” she said that it was for “equality.” (She ultimately took the site down because too many of the “wrong people” were seeing it.) Feminists always say that they are pursuing “equality.” It plays well. And it got them a lot of good publicity.
I have never seen a feminist object to the fact that over 90% of workplace deaths are men. Not once. They are always fighting to get women into the prestigious positions and want to bypass the 90 workweeks that men have to go through to get there (and the men usually don’t get there anyway.) Feminists are quite correct when they say that most CEOs are men. But they ignore what these men had to do to get there. And they also ignore all the men who put in the same effort, but didn’t get there. Feminists want women to have a “royal road” to the top positions. either they don’t see the effort men put in, or they don’t care
Feminists also never object to the fact that most homeless are men. There are many programs in place for when a woman is down on her luck. She will be given shelter. But a man? Too bad. There’s no room. The spots are reserved for women. Sewer workers are men, Construction workers are men. Garbage collectors are men — although now that they don’t have to lift the garbage into the truck manually, that may change.. And dirty, disgusting, dangerous, unwanted job will be done by men. And the feminist vision of “equality” keeps it that way. Feminists only see the CEOs.
Women start off privileged as compared to most men. That’s simply a fact of life and it’s not going to change any time soon. And there aren’t many men who want to bring women down to the level of the common man. But feminists have been seeking to push men down even farther. And it has reached a breaking point. That is why you see anti-feminists.
The link is here.
My response to a commenter who talked about “setting him straight” is as follows:
I look at it right at the beginning. He says female genital mutilation is only half the problem. Apparently feminists think that male genital mutilation is funny. After all, there must be some reason why this author doesn’t realize that someone is saying both male and female mutilation are problems
Here in the US, we properly outlaw cutting up little girls. But we still cut up little boys. I find it rather ironic that she is claiming her opponent is illogical when she is setting up a strawman — “So no one should talk about those 3 million girls who experiences FGM annually?” It’s not at all what he said. He just said that we should talk about those little boys, which nobody seems to care about. And you, too, are busy bashing away at the straw.
Like most feminists she moderates comments. I don’t expect mine to be approved because it doesn’t fit her narrative.
Well, I would like them to tell me how they think women have been oppressed. Maybe they believe that the military draft was women-only so that women had to fight in wars and die, while the men were kept safe at home. Maybe they think women were forced to work in coal mines while the men stayed home and maybe kept it tidy. Maybe they think dangerous construction work was done by women.
Feminists claim that the Men’s Rights Movement and A Voice For Men are misogynist. It does not look that way to me. Goodness knows feminists never give any evidence to that effect. Now, the Men’s Rights Movement is definitely anti-feminist. But anti-feminist is not anti-woman. And the only people I see claiming the Men’s Rights movement is misogynist are feminists and people who get all their information about the movement from feminists.
I saw a video the other day on YouTube where the author was claiming MRAs shouldn’t even exist. But for an understanding of the movement, he linked to cracked.com. I’d give you a link; but he deleted the video. My personal guess is he didn’t like being caught out on his lies.
When feminists are caught in a lie, and someone has shown that their claims are just not true, their go-to tactic is to call that person a “misogynist.” This has been an effective tactic for some time. A feminist falsely calls someone a misogynist; and that person will simply shut up. Or, if he doesn’t shut up, people will shun him. Our society is so intolerant of misogyny that the mere accusation of it, even when false, has severe effects.
But feminists have overused that tactic. People are starting to see that their charges of “misogyny” are lies. People aren’t simply shutting up when the false charge is levied. And some people aren’t simply shunning the person thus accused. More and more people are beginning to realize that feminists lie. There is a reason why feminists moderate their comments, when they allow them at all. They want to prevent people from hearing anything that might cause them to realize that feminists’ claims are phony.
Two months from the looks of it. I suppose the biggest reason is that I really haven’t had anything new to say. I was repeating myself. So, for a while, I got bored. I suppose it doesn’t really matter. It’s not like anyone is actually listening. This just gives me a chance to talk.
Anyway, I would like to talk about an inconvenient fact for feminism. Many women oppose feminism. If feminist dogma were true, there shouldn’t be any. According to feminist dogma, all women are systematically oppressed with feminism as the only force against that oppression. According to the dogma, there are no advantages for any woman or group of women in interfering with feminism and thus nothing would serve as an ulterior motive to cause some women to oppose feminism. Also according to the dogma, women are innately superior intellectually and would see that there was no reason to oppose feminism. So, if feminists’ claims were accurate, no women would oppose feminism. And yet they are not hard to find.
There are two main reasons why some women oppose feminism. (Any given female anti-feminist might only have one of the reasons apply.) One reason is that they may see that feminism unjustly harms men. Another is that they may see that women have had a pretty sweet deal throughout history and that feminism is “killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.” I don’t really care why someone opposes feminism. The opposition is what is important.